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Simon Brook

I think all the results re marketing in FMCG show is that there are very few marketing roles in the sector! If you search solely by industry sector the results seem inline with what you would expect (i.e. dominated by foodmanjobs and grocerjobs).

As far as I know, the booklets aren't being produced this year - which is a shame.

JamieL

I see a number of major issues with Noras:-

1. The data subset is so small it’s not precise enough. i.e. 500 surveys on a Job board out of 100,000 visitors are not likely to be accurate.

2. Many of the major sites refuse to take part for two primary reasons:-

a) Passing on of intellectual information to competitors

b) Potentially Mickey Mouse candidate traffic figures because sites can state own estimates rather than independently verified data, hence making poor sites look better than they are.

Point b) illustrated by Guardians withdrawal from Noras http://www.ri5.co.uk/site/news/article/guardian-jobs-opts-out-of-noras/

As in Louise’s own example in the article, In effect by supporting NORAS, the grocer Jobs site could potentially lose out on an advertiser looking to fill FMCG roll, which in reality they are good at, yet the survey indicates that only a small number of users would be suitable. – This comes back to issue a) the data set being too small to accurately reflect the strengths of the site in question.

I don’t see any point in a website joining this survey as it could do them more harm than good depending on the survey results.

In all, I guess at least Noras are trying to do something to bring clarity to the market, but frankly this isn’t it and I believe the entire concept has limited life span as a result.

JamieL

James Swift

I think it's a good idea in theory but in practice, it just doesn't add any value to us. Quite misleading and innacurate information. To fully appraise a sector, role or site, the best way to do it is spend time investigating yourself and not this quick-fix!

Alex Hens

I'm afraid NORAS has always been flawed (and often been commented on as such - certainly since its early years). Or at least the way the information is promoted as anything other than "of interest on a general level" is what's really wrong with it truth be told.

It just doesn't take very long to pull it apart when you get down to any specifics I'm afraid, however you have to give credit to the position it has/had built in the market. And I've spoken to media reps who know first hand that some Agencies (and therefore you'd assume direct clients too) take the NORAS badge as some kind of arse covering stamp of quality control, therefore they feel it is indeed worth the pixels it's displayed on.

But in short - I'm with James & Jamie.

dom sumners

i like NORAS and can get useful stuff out of it. But it is no way shape or form a useful media planning tool. or media comparison tool. for reasons stated above. It is useful-ish for typical user and candidate behaviours.

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